Idol Chatter: Can Kris Allen Win?
I LEARNED AN IMPORTANT lesson over the weekend: If you compare Adam Lambert and Li'l David Archuleta, you will raise the interest — and, in some cases, ire — of two vocal camps of fans.
A contingent I haven't heard much from, though, is the group that supports Adam's competition for the "American Idol" title, Kris Allen.
A case in point: When Adam, Kris and Danny Gokey went back to their hometowns for a little music and adulation, I wrote two blog posts about each contestant's trip. Both of Adam's got a wild response — the first received nearly four times as much traffic as the story about Kris; the second got 15 times more visits than Kris'. Even Danny's stories outpolled Kris's.
That Adam/Archuleta post from last week? It's got nearly 120 comments so far, which is much more than we get on a typical "Idol" post. That's how rabid Adam's fans are. Well, and Li'l David's. But still.
And hey, Kris fans — you should hear the kinds of things they've been saying about your guy. For example:
» "Kris Allen lacks star quality...I would never spend any money to go to a Kris Allen Concert or purchase Kris Allen music."» "For me, Kris Allen is more like David Archuleta. They're both boring. They can sing but they won't have my votes. I like a real deal, a great artist."
» "Singers like Kris can be found anywhere, but one's like Adam are very, very rare. He is the reincarnation of Elvis and will be a superstar worldwide or maybe he already is. Vote for Adam!!!!!"
» "Adam is a star, Kris is your average radio singer, that is common."
» "Kris is good but I've seen his act in almost every coffee house I been to. Adam, on the other hand, is different; really different, and that scares people."
And that's just a sampling.
I think Kris has talent. I think he's already shown that he has the kind of voice and songcrafting skill that could take him far in the music business. But if you're talking about buzz or presence on the 'Net, he seems to be trailing Adam by a significant margin.
So, here's an open question to you, Kris fans: Why should he win?
What do you have to say to the Adam fans above? What does Kris bring to the table that Adam doesn't? And is his fan base big enough to battle the vocal pro-Adam contingent?
Let me know what you think in the comments section below.
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I prefer Kris to Adam. While I appreciate his talent, Adam's screaming turns me off. When Kris sings, I feel like he is singing directly to me. Intimate and affecting
By Sue , Posted May 18, 2009 12:44 PMI think trying to stir up Kris Allen fans AND Adam Lambert fans by causing an uproar of your own making is pretty lousy journalism myself. This is a Win/Win final. These two men are friends and there is no reason to bash either one of them to support the other. Media generated hate is all this article is.
By Deb Tucker , Posted May 18, 2009 12:49 PMI agree with Deb stirring up trouble is lousy journalism. That said, I believe Adam should win. He has entertained us all season and has earned the Idol Crown. Vote Adam!
By PhDude , Posted May 18, 2009 12:51 PMHi Deb --
Read the story above again. Don't you think categorizing it as "media-generated hate" is a smidge extreme?
I'm trying to continue a dialogue that's been ongoing on this blog since January by asking a question of a group I haven't heard much from. You're welcome to participate or not at your discretion.
By Greg Barber , Posted May 18, 2009 12:52 PMKris is an accomplished instrumentalist as well as an awesome singer- he puts a lot of emotion into his songs- Listen to Ain't No Sunshine again- truly an artist. Adam is talented too, but Kris has my vote.
By pam , Posted May 18, 2009 12:52 PMChris is more radio friendly.
I bet Simon will pimp one on Tuesday and apologize to the other on Wednesday. Sound familiar?
By JEP , Posted May 18, 2009 12:58 PMWe choose to spend our time voting and listening to Kris's music. His style is very different from Adam's, so there is room for both in the music world. I believe both will be successful.
By j9bt , Posted May 18, 2009 1:01 PMAs a fan of classic rock like The Who, Led Zeppelin, Queen, and Elton John, I don't feel Adam is genuine in his performances. When I watch concerts of The Who or Queen, Roger Daltrey and Freddie Mercury are genuinely feeling the music they are singing. They belt and scream but I see the raw emotions in them. Whenever I watch Adam and he's making those sexual faces following the overhead cameras, I don't see the raw emotion Daltrey, Mercury, or Plant had on stage.
By Mark , Posted May 18, 2009 1:06 PMNope I stand by media generated hate as an assessment. When the author deliberately picks the quotes out designed to generate a flame war in comments you are generating hate. You don't really care to discuss the topic, you're all about making a nice bloody mess in the comments. Sorry I'm not playing your game and I reitirate that you represent lousy journalism in what your are attempting here.
By Deb Tucker , Posted May 18, 2009 1:14 PMI think Kris has a very good shot at winning it all, if his performances tomorrow night are as good as they were last week. While Adam has the stronger voice and more-polished showmanship, Kris appeals to a broader audience. Also, Ryan announced that only one million votes separated the two last week. This week, Gokey voters are up for grabs. And I'm guessing they would be more inclined to vote for the less flamboyant contestant.
By Brian , Posted May 18, 2009 1:38 PMThere is no question that Adam's raw talent surpasses that of Kris Allens. This is my first AI season and I really like listening to Adam EXCEPT when he gets screechy. Some love that, I never have. But I do not believe that Adam has reached the place where is he is not "acting" in every song. Who is the real artist and I will I buy/like what he puts out eventually? Kris Allen on the other hand is simply genuine every time. Kris will get my vote and my purchase...that I already know. If Adam's stuff is not full-on rock/screeching...I'll buy his too.
By Lucy , Posted May 18, 2009 1:43 PMI think either guy could win it, and either would deserve it. I'm disturbed with the idea that some of Kris's votes will be against Adam rather than for Kris, but maybe it will all come out in the wash.
Kris is deserving to me because he's been very creative, as well, just in a more subtle way than Adam. And I think his music might be a little more radio-friendly than Adam's. He's had his back to the wall for weeks, and he's risen to the occasion. If he can pull off more striking arrangements of surprising song choices, he could challenge Adam.
As for the journalistic integrity of this article, it's fine by me. American Idol is a show whose results are entirely based on public opinion. Public opinion is a HUGE part of the story, and a huge chunk of that is Internet-generated public opinion. Discussing it in a blog/article is valid.
By EOC , Posted May 18, 2009 1:48 PMThink about many of the current crop of successful artists. Can you imagine many of them ably competing on AI where each week contestants are required to squeeze their offering in a minute and a half? Just look back at performances and interviews from the start of season 8 until now. Adam has basically remained the same, and he is incredibly gifted, but the artist we see now is the one we saw in Group 2. Kris, however, has continued to evolve as an artist while maintaining the integrity that appears to be a hallmark of his music. I happen to love his performances, even the few that didn't receive much fanfare. Aside from his voice, his musicianship, his appearance (let's face it he's adorable), and his personality, is Kris' ability to uniquely phrase songs so that they sound completely original. I truly believe that is what established artists like Jamie Foxx see in him along with the rest of us "ordinary" fans. Jamie's comment that he'll blow you away and you won't even know it is exactly what has propelled him to the finals in the first place. He is so understated that people discount his genuine talent. It's there, and I am certain that his musical career will be successful.....on Krs' own terms...with or without the AI crown
By R Conway , Posted May 18, 2009 2:12 PMeverything can happen and i belive Kris will win.he will knock down Adam
By nhan , Posted May 18, 2009 2:39 PMKris is a good singer for the radio, but not selling concert tickets. He is very boring to watch on the stage. Adam will sell albums and sell out concerts. ADAM IS AN INTERNATIONAL STAR ALREADY. Kris Allen doesn't even come close. Sorry, but those are the facts.
By Patti , Posted May 18, 2009 2:43 PMYes, Kris can win. He will get Danny's votes. Adam is the underdog now. Kris is great but Adam is the greatest. If the radios don't like Adam, it's their loss cause I will listen to Adam's CDs and not the radio. Adam has my vote all the way! Congrats to Kris too if he does win.
By carrie , Posted May 18, 2009 2:55 PMI'll be honest in stating that for the most part when I want to read on AI, I go to another site that is hugely popular. And the buzz that comes from that blog is much more balanced in Adam/Kris love than what you infer in your article. I have to believe that is more true to the way it really is than what you imply. Obviously Kris has a ton of fans or he wouldn't have gotten to the finale. And do I think he can win? Yes I do. And the reason is because he's REAL-not contrived, not overhyped and not trying too hard to make a statement. I much prefer sublte, genuine talent and artistry any day.
By CMC , Posted May 18, 2009 3:10 PMI AM an AVID Archuleta fan -- NOT an Adam fan. I am ALSO a BIG Kris Allen fan.
Both Archuleta and Allen "entertain" me with wonderment. I feel content after hearing EACH of them perform.
However, after Adam's performance, my first question is WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT??? And I am far from being content --- quite the contrary! After hearing all that SCREECHING, is more upsetting than entertaining. I admit he has a good voice. Beyond that, I don't find the songs he sings interesting.
If I want to go to a Broadway musical, I go to them. When I want to watch and listen to a singing competition --- I don't want all the theatricals. I believe it was wrong of Idol to let someone with a professional background in BROADWAY enter a SINGING COMPETITION and use all the BROADWAY-TYPE SINGING. Wonder if they'll let Opera Singers in next year??????
Kris has already won 2nd place --- which is where Archuleta was --- and Archie already has a VERY SUCCESSFUL CAREER, having been around the world already (less than a year after Season 7 ended).
So maybe that's why you haven't heard from Kris Allen's fans ..... he's already won at least 2nd place --- but they'll be voting for him, as I will also.
P.S. Hope this gets your reader numbers up --- assume that's why you put out the challenging words!!!
By CarolO , Posted May 18, 2009 3:50 PMI really don't like comparisons. I can't see any similarities and resemblances between David Archuleta and Kris Allen. Archuleta is totally unique, genuine. I haven't heard a voice like his anywhere; he is one of a kind. And people who think Archuleta is boring should see the videos of his US solo tour, UK tour and Asia tour. Kris is a good singer, but I don't like his style or his personality; there are a lot of artist like him in the music business. Adam has great vocals but he screams too much; he doesn't need to do all that screaming. He might be original to American Idol but he is not original in the Glam Rock world or fashion world. I really don't care who wins this year. I already found my one and only idol, Mr. David Archuleta.
By dbs , Posted May 18, 2009 3:59 PMA lot of the Idol-reporting media perpetuates the notion that you have to be hit over the head with a hammer to be entertained. Subtlety isn't valued. The term "boring" is overused and meaningless in the world of Idol--it just means that the person watching doesn't have much of an appreciation for nuance. Nobody can get "bored" listening to a minute and a half long song--if you're bored then please, seek treatment for attention deficit disorder.
Kris gets called "boring" because he's not shoving himself into your face each week. He's not screaming for your votes. There's no big guitars or fancy stage lighting that can distract you from the reality of the actual performance. In other words, you forget to ask yourself, "did that sound good?" David Cook hit you over the head every week by using heavy arrangements, loud guitars and drums, often obscuring the fact that the guy was pitchy half the time. Most people didn't recognize that once he started using his own arrangements rather than grabbing them off youtube, that it was the same arrangement every week--midtempo, moody post-grunge rock ballad. Every song! lol. Why people were then surprised when he put out an album of mid-tempo moody post-grunge rock ballads is beyond me.
Same concept for Adam--he either uses his "soft" arrangement (start singing slowly in a low register and then use his super high scream note that will cause Paula and Kara to swoon), or his full-on glam rock arrangement (forget the pitchy low register and just scream from the get-go). The fancy lighting and outfits and theatrical posturing make for great TV and theater, but it all seems so pretend. Like it's all one big act with very little depth.
Then you've got Kris. Subtle, nuanced. He's not trying to hit you over the head; he's trying to express himself through the sound of his voice and the choices he makes in a song. I liken him to Archuleta not because they sound alike (they don't), but because Archuleta changed every single song he did through nuanced musical and vocal choices. He never got credit for re-arranging, although he did it nearly every week. He never got credit for using his vocals to change up a song, though he did it every time. On Idol it's either BIG or "boring." That's not real music. It's about feeling a song, and getting the audience to feel it with you. I see that in Kris and I don't see that in Adam.
By podperson , Posted May 18, 2009 5:02 PMCan u please stop calling David Archuleta L'il David? His sold out solo tour wasn't so little.
By prettyinpink , Posted May 18, 2009 6:23 PMI don't think David Archuleta or Kris Allen is boring, they each have their own style. I prefer David Archuleta's music, but Kris Allen is very good. The two cannot be compared. I believe Kris will win AI8 but even if he finishes where he is now, that will be great too, look at David Archuleta, he is proving to be very successful. No comment on Adam, sorry.
By RussW , Posted May 18, 2009 7:24 PMI do not think Kris is boring at all! He has a great style about him. With that said....this year AI is between Kris and Adam...leave David A out of it . David is NOT boring and he is not lil David. He is a bona-fide professional artist now..selling out venue after venue!!! His presence is anything but little!!!
By marie , Posted May 18, 2009 9:44 PMI don't like Adam. I prefer Kris to win!!!
By sandra , Posted May 18, 2009 9:45 PMFor people who said David Archuleta is boring, you are so wrong. You dont know anything!!
to podperson, yours is the most precise articulation of my reasons for appreciating kris allen that i have ever read. would totally hug you if i could.
By RoseA , Posted May 18, 2009 10:09 PMGoogle News is an amazing thing, I'd never have found your blog without its collating robots.
I don't think Kris will win Idol. I don't think he should. He doesn't inspire fanatic devotion—idolatry. He earns respect. He's a musician, a guy-with-a-guitar, a lifer. No flash, no glamor, not a star, not a celebrity. Someone I respect. Adam is a celebrity. He is already an idol. Let him have that. I wouldn't wish that inflicted upon Kris for all the money or fame in the world.
And that's probably why you haven't heard as much or as strongly from Kris "fans". We're not teenage girls. We're actually older, wearier and more circumspect about music and life. We like him. We don't worship him. He's not an idol.
By Nix , Posted May 18, 2009 11:03 PMi prefer kris to adam. when kris sing ,i fell I connect with him but when adam sing i don't .although adam's voice is very good and I scare him very much..he likes acting on scary movie.kris sing with all his emotion..i vote for kris..
By full , Posted May 18, 2009 11:28 PMIs it necessary to refer to David Archuleta as L'il David? For heaven's sakes, he just played for 50K fans in Manila, and made the Forbes list of top 10 EARNERS from Idol this year. He's not "L'il" anything.
By Marlie7 , Posted May 19, 2009 12:32 AMI noticed that Adam fans are just as loud as Adam. I think they are so frustrated that they have to screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam on every blog. LOL.
By May , Posted May 19, 2009 1:42 AMThis is all "idol" chatter. David Archuleta is the idol of idols and none before or after will elicit such devotion. But both Kris and Adam have something to offer, and neither are boring. Best to both of them.
By Molly , Posted May 19, 2009 2:03 AMThis is all "idol" chatter. David Archuleta is the idol of idols and none before or after will elicit such devotion. But both Kris and Adam have something to offer, and neither are boring. Best to both of them.
By Molly , Posted May 19, 2009 2:03 AMAdam: Too much hair dye, makeup, #years in music theater, contrived drama/screaming. Every song sounds the same; scream, mock crying, wierd falsetto, theatrics, scream...etc. Kris: Not really good enough to be the Idol. Nothing exciting about him. Like Taylor Hicks, won't go anywhere after AI.
By la , Posted May 19, 2009 2:18 AMPeople who think that Chris will do just as good as David A. are crazy. There is only one Archie, he reaches people in a way no other can. The reason his fans are so fanatic or whatever you call it, is because we know how amazing he is. One of the interviewers in the Phillipines said that people charmed by him. He tried to express the effect he has on people. So there is no way Chris compares to Archie, just maybe on the type of music they sing.
By lesssha , Posted May 19, 2009 2:45 AMhis name is david archuleta. if you had the common courtesy to show him respect by calling him david, without the 'lil', then perhaps the respect level from his fans toward you would increase. the media and press in asia and the uk were much more professional and respectful in their articles and interviews of david during his recent tours, and there is much the american press - specifically you - could learn by their example regarding professionalism and respect.
By DAFAN16 , Posted May 19, 2009 5:29 AMLast year I was for Archuleta because I like the cute, clean-cut American boy as opposed to the grungy rocker. This year, I am for Kris. While I am not afraid to admit that yes, Adam can sing, his screaming bores me to death. I find myself saying, "Ugh, is it over yet?" Kris on the other hand, like Archuleta, has the power to make me feel things, emotions, when he sings. Singers like Lambert and Cook (from last year) seem (to me) more concerned about making an image than fulfilling their passion. It's just the vibe I get. I am sure I have millions who agree as well as millions who disagree, and that is fine. Nothing anyone says will change my mind, and nothing I just said will probably change anyone else's mind - just sharing :)
By Carrie , Posted May 19, 2009 8:23 AMCarrie -- AMEN SISTER!!! HANDS DOWN, AMEN SISTER!!
By China80 , Posted May 19, 2009 9:25 AMfrom what i read most of you have not seen a live concert by the GREAT ONE david ARCHULETA
By rlynch , Posted May 19, 2009 10:32 AMRespect my Archie please.. he is only 18 and he has achieved great things for his young age..Besides he is unique, people loves him because he has charm, he has charisma, and his voice is sexy and he is so cute..Love u Archie..No one is like you my love!!!
By Archieismyboy! , Posted May 19, 2009 11:16 AMThe only thing these posts confirm once again, imo, is David Archuleta's popularity and his much deserved fan devotion...since most here have responded about your comments of him and not Kris or Adam (no disrespect to either.)
I'm with others here, and elsewhere...I "retired my dialing fingers" last year, on THE last American Idol for me...David Archuleta. I have to roll eyes again when I hear people call him "boring. They're entitled to an opinion that David is "just not be their musical taste." But a pitch perfect voice, razor sharp musical sensibility, with a disarmingly charming, charismatic, genuine soul & the ability to move people beyond their own understanding as to how...is so far from boring it's laughable.
"L'il David"...is the biggest guy in ANY room.
As for Kris/Adam...wish them both the best. He's got a powerful voice, is great looking and fun to watch. The 2nd coming of Elvis?...not so much to me. Elvis was a down home, sweet guy who just had rhythm & blues oozing out his soul...(much more like David A.) (and I know this will rise the critics heads again, but o'well!!)
By amb18 , Posted May 19, 2009 2:15 PMKris, I'd buy a record from, more listenable to me. (And I like both their genres, so that's not it.)
A true one of a kind talent is not just communicated by "over-the-top, in your face" performances...some are moresubtlely powerful. David Archuleta, as a person, performer and vocalist, has the kind of hold on fans that is still growing and I believe will last over time...he is the real deal to beat all.
My vote if for KRIS!!!
By Christina , Posted May 19, 2009 4:34 PMKris has my vote to win. He entertains me each time he sings. Adam on the other hand leaves me feeling like I'm on speed or something. I can't enjoy the unbridled screaming. In any case, I hope Kris takes second place. Let Adam be saddled with the AI contract so Kris can pick and choose with whom to sign. Best of Luck, Kris!
By Kris A fan , Posted May 19, 2009 6:48 PMThank you for your opinion on lil David (he isn't lil at all) - please watch all his concerts - his solo ones, his opening for McFly in UK and the latest one from Manila, Philippines. He was also a big draw during those jingle Balls last Christmas.
By Mariz , Posted May 19, 2009 7:21 PMNot to bring down Adam or Kris, Archie is my one and only Idol!
I'm a devout Christian and a working mother of two music-loving boys. Each time I watch American Idol’s finale show replayed, I can not help but ask: What is wrong with America? America's vote for Kris Allen, or America's vote against Adam Lambert, seems to be a contemptuous hate vote against various sectors of society that Adam Lambert appears to stand for. People forgot that American Idol is a singing contest, not a political battle nor a popularity contest among class of persons. Regardless of orientation or religion, it is a singing talent contest that is open to all. In Season 8, Adam Lambert consistently proved to be the amazingly innovative artist and the best singer, gifted with a powerful voice. ADAM LAMBERT DESERVED TO WIN. Even Kris knows this within his Christian heart, so much so that when he was unexpectedly handed the undeserved title, he evidently became perplexed and then asserted in open public that "Adam deserves this..." – instinctively repudiating the unbelievable subsuming vote results and in righteous adherence to glaring truth. You could actually count so many seconds before the puzzled Kris finally acquiesced to receive the undeserved crown, but only after Adam graciously approached to place his arm around Kris’ shoulder in encouragement. Adam Lambert is the true winner. Should I also ask: What is wrong with this American Idol TV show?
By A. Lambe , Posted May 24, 2009 1:22 PM